Discussion:
Silverlight?
Jomegat
2012-03-16 15:22:37 UTC
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Hi all,

Our teacher has requested that I install SilverLight on the K12 server.
I assume I'd have to use Mono's version instead, but before I even
start down that path... should I?

How does it perform on an LTSP system? I'm running the EL6 version on
an x86_64 server. Flash sometimes weighs down the network, as I have
only 100Mbit links between the clients and the switch (but the server
uses a gigE link).

So should I bite the bullet or run away screaming?
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Christian Einfeldt
2012-03-16 15:45:17 UTC
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Tell the teacher thatt silverlight is a corner case technology which never
became mainstream and is being abandoned by its few adopters, such as NBC,
which is giving it the heave ho
Post by Jomegat
Hi all,
Our teacher has requested that I install SilverLight on the K12 server. I
assume I'd have to use Mono's version instead, but before I even start down
that path... should I?
How does it perform on an LTSP system? I'm running the EL6 version on an
x86_64 server. Flash sometimes weighs down the network, as I have only
100Mbit links between the clients and the switch (but the server uses a
gigE link).
So should I bite the bullet or run away screaming?
--
Jim Thomas Principal Applications Engineer Bittware, Inc
"And" is a word that should never be used at the beginning of a sentence.
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Patrick Fleming
2012-03-16 17:09:01 UTC
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It may be corner case, but the county I live just implemented it for use
on the GIS mapping and parcel locator system. It looks and works really
well - if you access it from a Windows computer - otherwise I can't
access it at all. Yuck.
Post by Christian Einfeldt
Tell the teacher thatt silverlight is a corner case technology which never
became mainstream and is being abandoned by its few adopters, such as NBC,
which is giving it the heave ho
Post by Jomegat
Hi all,
Our teacher has requested that I install SilverLight on the K12 server. I
assume I'd have to use Mono's version instead, but before I even start down
that path... should I?
How does it perform on an LTSP system? I'm running the EL6 version on an
x86_64 server. Flash sometimes weighs down the network, as I have only
100Mbit links between the clients and the switch (but the server uses a
gigE link).
So should I bite the bullet or run away screaming?
--
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Jim Kinney
2012-03-16 18:20:59 UTC
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check it on a mac, iphone and android phone. If it won't work, start asking
questions like "who got paid to implement this?", and "Who signed off on
the spec for this project?".

It's 2012., Multi-plaftform browser agnostic apps are the standard.
Post by Patrick Fleming
It may be corner case, but the county I live just implemented it for use
on the GIS mapping and parcel locator system. It looks and works really
well - if you access it from a Windows computer - otherwise I can't
access it at all. Yuck.
Post by Christian Einfeldt
Tell the teacher thatt silverlight is a corner case technology which
never
Post by Christian Einfeldt
became mainstream and is being abandoned by its few adopters, such as
NBC,
Post by Christian Einfeldt
which is giving it the heave ho
Post by Jomegat
Hi all,
Our teacher has requested that I install SilverLight on the K12 server.
I
Post by Christian Einfeldt
Post by Jomegat
assume I'd have to use Mono's version instead, but before I even start
down
Post by Christian Einfeldt
Post by Jomegat
that path... should I?
How does it perform on an LTSP system? I'm running the EL6 version on
an
Post by Christian Einfeldt
Post by Jomegat
x86_64 server. Flash sometimes weighs down the network, as I have only
100Mbit links between the clients and the switch (but the server uses a
gigE link).
So should I bite the bullet or run away screaming?
--
Jim Thomas Principal Applications Engineer Bittware, Inc
"And" is a word that should never be used at the beginning of a
sentence.
Post by Christian Einfeldt
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Jomegat
2012-03-16 16:38:25 UTC
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Even Microsoft is giving it the heave-ho.

She doesn't care about Silverlight. She cares about some web app she
found that uses it.

I've already taken the "no" path with Shockwave, and it did indeed make
shock waves. I very nearly lost my LTSP install over it.

If I keep saying "no" to everything she asks for, it will strengthen the
position that "LTSP can't do everything I need." In other words, I
could win all the battles and lose the war.

I'm sure she will continue to find applications out there that require
Shockwave, Silverlight, Windows, and who knows what else. I try to find
replacements when I say no, but those are never as satisfying (to her)
as saying yes.

I want to reserve "no" for things that really can't be done.
Post by Christian Einfeldt
Tell the teacher thatt silverlight is a corner case technology which
never became mainstream and is being abandoned by its few adopters, such
as NBC, which is giving it the heave ho
Hi all,
Our teacher has requested that I install SilverLight on the K12
server. I assume I'd have to use Mono's version instead, but before
I even start down that path... should I?
How does it perform on an LTSP system? I'm running the EL6 version
on an x86_64 server. Flash sometimes weighs down the network, as I
have only 100Mbit links between the clients and the switch (but the
server uses a gigE link).
So should I bite the bullet or run away screaming?
--
Jim Thomas Principal Applications Engineer Bittware, Inc
http://www.bittware.com (603) 226-0404 x536
<tel:%28603%29%20226-0404%20x536>
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a***@smart.net
2012-03-16 18:43:35 UTC
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is she on Microsofts payroll or just have a lot of stock??

bob
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:38:25 -0400
Reply-To: Support list for open source software in schools.
Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Silverlight?
Even Microsoft is giving it the heave-ho.
She doesn't care about Silverlight. She cares about some web app she found
that uses it.
I've already taken the "no" path with Shockwave, and it did indeed make shock
waves. I very nearly lost my LTSP install over it.
If I keep saying "no" to everything she asks for, it will strengthen the
position that "LTSP can't do everything I need." In other words, I could win
all the battles and lose the war.
I'm sure she will continue to find applications out there that require
Shockwave, Silverlight, Windows, and who knows what else. I try to find
replacements when I say no, but those are never as satisfying (to her) as
saying yes.
I want to reserve "no" for things that really can't be done.
Post by Christian Einfeldt
Tell the teacher thatt silverlight is a corner case technology which
never became mainstream and is being abandoned by its few adopters, such
as NBC, which is giving it the heave ho
Hi all,
Our teacher has requested that I install SilverLight on the K12
server. I assume I'd have to use Mono's version instead, but before
I even start down that path... should I?
How does it perform on an LTSP system? I'm running the EL6 version
on an x86_64 server. Flash sometimes weighs down the network, as I
have only 100Mbit links between the clients and the switch (but the
server uses a gigE link).
So should I bite the bullet or run away screaming?
--
Jim Thomas Principal Applications Engineer Bittware, Inc
http://www.bittware.com (603) 226-0404 x536
<tel:%28603%29%20226-0404%20x536>
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Jim Kinney
2012-03-16 16:49:29 UTC
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Screaming!

Help the teacher find a better source of downloadable movies.
Post by Jomegat
Hi all,
Our teacher has requested that I install SilverLight on the K12 server. I
assume I'd have to use Mono's version instead, but before I even start down
that path... should I?
How does it perform on an LTSP system? I'm running the EL6 version on an
x86_64 server. Flash sometimes weighs down the network, as I have only
100Mbit links between the clients and the switch (but the server uses a
gigE link).
So should I bite the bullet or run away screaming?
--
Jim Thomas Principal Applications Engineer Bittware, Inc
"And" is a word that should never be used at the beginning of a sentence.
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As long as the general population is passive, apathetic, diverted to
consumerism or hatred of the vulnerable, then the powerful can do as they
please, and those who survive will be left to contemplate the outcome.
- *2011 Noam Chomsky

http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/
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Bill Fitzgerald
2012-03-16 18:49:56 UTC
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RE: "I'm sure she will continue to find applications out there that require
Shockwave, Silverlight, Windows, and who knows what else. I try to find
replacements when I say no, but those are never as satisfying (to her) as
saying yes."
From this description, and other pieces in the thread, this sounds less
like a technical issue and more like a personality issue. In other words,
this "problem" isn't technical in origin, and will continue to crop up
regardless of whether you install silverlight or not.

Good luck with this.

Cheers,

Bill
Screaming!
Help the teacher find a better source of downloadable movies.
Post by Jomegat
Hi all,
Our teacher has requested that I install SilverLight on the K12 server.
I assume I'd have to use Mono's version instead, but before I even start
down that path... should I?
How does it perform on an LTSP system? I'm running the EL6 version on an
x86_64 server. Flash sometimes weighs down the network, as I have only
100Mbit links between the clients and the switch (but the server uses a
gigE link).
So should I bite the bullet or run away screaming?
--
Jim Thomas Principal Applications Engineer Bittware, Inc
"And" is a word that should never be used at the beginning of a sentence.
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Jomegat
2012-03-16 19:05:30 UTC
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Post by Bill Fitzgerald
RE: "I'm sure she will continue to find applications out there that
require Shockwave, Silverlight, Windows, and who knows what else. I try
to find replacements when I say no, but those are never as satisfying
(to her) as saying yes."
From this description, and other pieces in the thread, this sounds less
like a technical issue and more like a personality issue. In other
words, this "problem" isn't technical in origin, and will continue to
crop up regardless of whether you install silverlight or not.
It's both.

I took Tom Hoffman's advice and installed it on my linux desktop, and
tried the app she wanted to run. All it does is warn that this is
SilverLight 4, and not all features will work. Even if it did work on
my desktop, that is no guarantee that it would work with LTSP.

So I am investigating alternatives. They abound.
Post by Bill Fitzgerald
Good luck with this.
Cheers,
Bill
Screaming!
Help the teacher find a better source of downloadable movies.
Hi all,
Our teacher has requested that I install SilverLight on the K12
server. I assume I'd have to use Mono's version instead, but
before I even start down that path... should I?
How does it perform on an LTSP system? I'm running the EL6
version on an x86_64 server. Flash sometimes weighs down the
network, as I have only 100Mbit links between the clients and
the switch (but the server uses a gigE link).
So should I bite the bullet or run away screaming?
--
Jim Thomas Principal Applications Engineer Bittware, Inc
http://www.bittware.com (603) 226-0404 x536
<tel:%28603%29%20226-0404%20x536>
"And" is a word that should never be used at the beginning of a sentence.
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Peter Scheie
2012-03-17 12:49:33 UTC
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Whenever you get one of these kind of requests, respond enthusiastically
with a "Yes, I'll look into that", so people know you're on their side.
In this case, scope out the price of putting up a Windows terminal
server (LTSP can do RDP), multiply that times however many servers
you'll need (last I checked, WTS could only handle about 10 simultaneous
sessions), plus the cost of the CAL licenses. It will quickly add up.
Then you can say to the powers-that-be, "Yes, we could do that, but
we'll have to cut a teacher or a few aides to pay for it, because
proprietary software is always going to be expensive, sooner or later.
Remember, MS is a *business* which means they are first & foremost
interested in making money and that money comes from you. Linux & FOSS
are about enabling people to do things; money usually isn't the
concern." Then, if you've found an alternative that works on Linux, you
can say so, and hopefully they'll be more receptive.

Peter
Post by Jomegat
Post by Bill Fitzgerald
RE: "I'm sure she will continue to find applications out there that
require Shockwave, Silverlight, Windows, and who knows what else. I try
to find replacements when I say no, but those are never as satisfying
(to her) as saying yes."
From this description, and other pieces in the thread, this sounds less
like a technical issue and more like a personality issue. In other
words, this "problem" isn't technical in origin, and will continue to
crop up regardless of whether you install silverlight or not.
It's both.
I took Tom Hoffman's advice and installed it on my linux desktop, and
tried the app she wanted to run. All it does is warn that this is
SilverLight 4, and not all features will work. Even if it did work on
my desktop, that is no guarantee that it would work with LTSP.
So I am investigating alternatives. They abound.
Post by Bill Fitzgerald
Good luck with this.
Cheers,
Bill
Screaming!
Help the teacher find a better source of downloadable movies.
Hi all,
Our teacher has requested that I install SilverLight on the K12
server. I assume I'd have to use Mono's version instead, but
before I even start down that path... should I?
How does it perform on an LTSP system? I'm running the EL6
version on an x86_64 server. Flash sometimes weighs down the
network, as I have only 100Mbit links between the clients and
the switch (but the server uses a gigE link).
So should I bite the bullet or run away screaming?
--
Jim Thomas Principal Applications Engineer
Bittware, Inc
http://www.bittware.com (603) 226-0404 x536
<tel:%28603%29%20226-0404%20x536>
"And" is a word that should never be used at the beginning of a sentence.
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Tom Hoffman
2012-03-16 18:44:51 UTC
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I'm going to be all contrarian and suggest that you spend a couple
minutes just seeing if you can get it to work on your desktop. It
might just work!

http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/

--Tom
Post by Jomegat
Hi all,
Our teacher has requested that I install SilverLight on the K12 server.  I
assume I'd have to use Mono's version instead, but before I even start down
that path... should I?
How does it perform on an LTSP system?  I'm running the EL6 version on an
x86_64 server.  Flash sometimes weighs down the network, as I have only
100Mbit links between the clients and the switch (but the server uses a gigE
link).
So should I bite the bullet or run away screaming?
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SteveG
2012-03-18 13:41:17 UTC
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I took your tip Tom & installed it in Linux. I can now see netflix with
the moonlight plugin.

Stegil
Post by Tom Hoffman
I'm going to be all contrarian and suggest that you spend a couple
minutes just seeing if you can get it to work on your desktop. It
might just work!
http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/
--Tom
Post by Jomegat
Hi all,
Our teacher has requested that I install SilverLight on the K12 server. I
assume I'd have to use Mono's version instead, but before I even start down
that path... should I?
How does it perform on an LTSP system? I'm running the EL6 version on an
x86_64 server. Flash sometimes weighs down the network, as I have only
100Mbit links between the clients and the switch (but the server uses a gigE
link).
So should I bite the bullet or run away screaming?
--
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"And" is a word that should never be used at the beginning of a sentence.
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SteveG
2012-03-18 13:44:47 UTC
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sorry, mistake , can"t use it with netflix.
Stegil
Post by Tom Hoffman
I'm going to be all contrarian and suggest that you spend a couple
minutes just seeing if you can get it to work on your desktop. It
might just work!
http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/
--Tom
Post by Jomegat
Hi all,
Our teacher has requested that I install SilverLight on the K12 server. I
assume I'd have to use Mono's version instead, but before I even start down
that path... should I?
How does it perform on an LTSP system? I'm running the EL6 version on an
x86_64 server. Flash sometimes weighs down the network, as I have only
100Mbit links between the clients and the switch (but the server uses a gigE
link).
So should I bite the bullet or run away screaming?
--
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"And" is a word that should never be used at the beginning of a sentence.
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b***@thealmquists.net
2012-03-16 20:20:45 UTC
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So the app didn't work at all using moonlight?
Jomegat
2012-03-16 21:03:43 UTC
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Post by b***@thealmquists.net
So the app didn't work at all using moonlight?
No it didn't. The app complained that it needed SilverLight version 4,
and that Mono had not implemented all those features. Then it did
nothing else.

She was looking for a tag cloud app. The one she found was Tagxedo.com
but I have found several others.
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Tom Hoffman
2012-03-16 23:06:00 UTC
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She was looking for a tag cloud app.  The one she found was Tagxedo.com but
I have found several others.
Oh, well if THAT'S all she needed, yes, you should point her somewhere else!

--Tom
Barry R Cisna
2012-03-17 20:28:44 UTC
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Jomegat,

I know exactly what you are dealing with here! Anyone that has not had
to be in an school enviornment does not have ANY idea what it is to have
to deal with female teachers. When one finds a cutesy novelty 'teaching
tool' they seen in a magazine ,it is shortly monkey see, monkey do.

Just to verify, quite some time back I tried to make moonlight work on a
few apps. Simply put ,I could not get ONE of the test apps I tried to
use via moonlight to work.
It was always the revolving door of ,,,'too old version' for running
this app via Silverlight/moonlight'.

You are between a rock and a hard place I am sure,,trying to get her
application to work transparently.
Even if your school were to come across for a fresh new Winders TS to
set this up on,,,a year from now,,this will be collecting dust,I would
just about guarantee you!
This is the exact reason 70-80% of your property taxes go to your local
school!:)...Oh well.

Take Care,
BC
Bill Fitzgerald
2012-03-17 21:10:41 UTC
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Some thoughts inline, below -
Post by Barry R Cisna
I know exactly what you are dealing with here! Anyone that has not had
to be in an school enviornment does not have ANY idea what it is to have
to deal with female teachers.
Based on my experience in schools, gender has little or nothing to do with
the validity of a request.
Post by Barry R Cisna
When one finds a cutesy novelty 'teaching
tool' they seen in a magazine ,it is shortly monkey see, monkey do.
These are teachable moments; by far the greatest challenge I have
seen/experienced is getting people to set aside preconceived notions and
actually listen/converse. Many issues masquerade as "technical problems"
when the real issues/barriers are carbon-based.
Post by Barry R Cisna
Just to verify, quite some time back I tried to make moonlight work on a
few apps. Simply put ,I could not get ONE of the test apps I tried to
use via moonlight to work.
It was always the revolving door of ,,,'too old version' for running
this app via Silverlight/moonlight'.
Strong agreement here - the death of Silverlight is a wonderful thing. The
only bad thing about it is that it didn't happen sooner.

And,IIRC, the app in question was to generate a tagcloud? These things are
all over the place on the web!

Cheers,

Bill
Jim Kinney
2012-03-18 16:46:03 UTC
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Post by Bill Fitzgerald
Some thoughts inline, below -
Post by Barry R Cisna
When one finds a cutesy novelty 'teaching
tool' they seen in a magazine ,it is shortly monkey see, monkey do.
These are teachable moments; by far the greatest challenge I have
seen/experienced is getting people to set aside preconceived notions and
actually listen/converse. Many issues masquerade as "technical problems"
when the real issues/barriers are carbon-based.
I concur. Many teachers are trying too hard to show improvement and they
will lock onto to ANYTHING that shows promise. Sadly, the school process
that teachers go through to qualify them for the job makes them totally
unsuitable to do the type of evaluation required to determine if a
particular tool, technology, or process has the effect they think it does.
In other words, they are trying to do psychology experiments but have no
scientific background or training in how to set upo and devise controls,
etc. for any type of experiment.

So the challenge for us tech geeks is we have to get them to explain what
they are trying to do from a teaching standpoint, and we have to understand
it. Then we have to go searching for tools that
1. run on our platforms
2. do what they think they need

After nearly 10 years teaching college level physics and astronomy, the
best technology is that which is invisible. Much of what I see being pushed
at schools and teachers by vendors is the robotic teacher replacement drone
garbage - practice drills with little to no knowledge enhancement.
Invisible technology is like when looking for a specific TV program, they
change the channel. The technology behind the process is "magic" yet
accepted. Sadly, a teacher sees some web-based multimedia <insert other
buzz words here> and because it "works" like changing the channel, the
common assumption is the education process will also work the same. So by
getting the teacher to do the evaluation of what that "tool the must have"
really does, often they will find that a pencil and paper is more effective.

I cringe daily looking at the text books my kids use in K12. Color and
pictures take up money and space (which is money in publishing). Designing
a book to have a full color picture on EVERY page doesn't encourage
learning if the picture is not relevant to the text on the page. So the
books got huge and very expensive and now they are causing back pain in
kids who have text book based homework every night in every subject. A 65
pound kids can't carry a 30 pound book-bag.

A web video can be informative but must be used in the context of other
solid instructional methods. Migrating from paper to e-book will certainly
make carrying the contents easier but the educational content is being
diluted by the publishers. It makes the school district book review
committee happy to see books, electronic or dead tree, with the important
word highlighted and a per chapter glossary and a short chapter summary.
Too bad that crap eliminates ALL of the student's learning process as they
no longer have to figure this out on their own.

The open text books group is doing it (mostly) right. The tech part still
missing is an easy to use tool for student annotation of the PDF files that
is transportable (i.e. their notes can "stick" with the PDF version and can
be easily transferred to someone else). Tablets are nice but a tablet with
a pen is even better. The ability to highlight a word or sentence or add a
personal definition or reference in the margin will make the open text
books better than the dead tree texts. The will make them belong to each
student.

If there is a way for the teachers to review the student's notes in their
books and add extra comments, etc, wow! personalized teaching at the K12
level.
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James P. Kinney III

As long as the general population is passive, apathetic, diverted to
consumerism or hatred of the vulnerable, then the powerful can do as they
please, and those who survive will be left to contemplate the outcome.
- *2011 Noam Chomsky

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