Discussion:
New install of K12LTSP - repo not found
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Paul Mulroney
2016-10-20 08:03:53 UTC
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Hi Everyone,

I'm trying to setup a new LTSP server, using K12Linux.
rpm --import http://ltsprepo.s3.amazonaws.com/rpm/RPM-GPG-KEY-ltsp
rpm -Uvh
http://ltsprepo.s3.amazonaws.com/rpm/el6/x86_64/ltsp-release-5-9.el6.noarch.rpm
yum install ltsp-server
Edit config files in /etc/ltsp/
ltsp-build-client
Read the docs!!
However, the server responds with

<Error>
<Code>AllAccessDisabled</Code>
<Message>All access to this object has been disabled</Message>
<RequestId>440C4FCB81A8CF1D</RequestId>
<HostId>
qADc1PRsGHvyCZ9+lDOlpDM4Mm0VaQfyBAyS1G9uVSif7FG7GIz1W89JPPPqBeIE37McLP07Vj4=
</HostId>
</Error>

Is there an alternative download location for these RPM files and RPM keys?

Regards,
Paul.


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William Fragakis
2016-10-20 17:02:40 UTC
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Paul,
LTSP on EL (Centos, SL, etc) has been broken and not updated on for
sometime. It absolutely didn't work on 7 despite efforts. The work that
needed to be done was beyond the capabilities of most of us on the
list.

Most of the issues seemed to be centered around LDM. That EL7 was 64bit
only complicated matters as well for many of us using older clients.

A number of us have migrated to Edubuntu, Debian, etc. I think my first
install was around Fedora 5 if that gives you some context. 

I wish I could be more encouraging. If anyone on the list has had a
more positive outcome, I hope they can help.

Best regards,
William
Message: 1
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:03:53 +0800
Subject: [K12OSN] New install of K12LTSP - repo not found
u>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hi Everyone,
I'm trying to setup a new LTSP server, using K12Linux.
In the install guide (http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Category:Fedora) it
rpm --import http://ltsprepo.s3.amazonaws.com/rpm/RPM-GPG-KEY-ltsp
  rpm -Uvh 
http://ltsprepo.s3.amazonaws.com/rpm/el6/x86_64/ltsp-release-5-9.el
6.noarch.rpm
  yum install ltsp-server
  Edit config files in /etc/ltsp/
  ltsp-build-client
  Read the docs!!
However, the server responds with 
<Error>
<Code>AllAccessDisabled</Code>
<Message>All access to this object has been disabled</Message>
<RequestId>440C4FCB81A8CF1D</RequestId>
<HostId>
qADc1PRsGHvyCZ9+lDOlpDM4Mm0VaQfyBAyS1G9uVSif7FG7GIz1W89JPPPqBeIE37McL
P07Vj4=
</HostId>
</Error>
Is there an alternative download location for these RPM files and RPM
keys?
Regards,
Paul.
Radosław Bursztynowski
2016-10-20 18:15:48 UTC
Permalink
William,

I supected your opinitn that "It (K12Linux) absolutely didn't work on
7". I work on K12Linux/CentOS 7 few mounts and I am siatified. I have
got older thin client image (Sicenbtific Linux 6.1). I am not going to
migrate to Edubuntu or Debian.

Best regards,
Radek
Post by William Fragakis
Paul,
LTSP on EL (Centos, SL, etc) has been broken and not updated on for
sometime. It absolutely didn't work on 7 despite efforts. The work that
needed to be done was beyond the capabilities of most of us on the
list.
Most of the issues seemed to be centered around LDM. That EL7 was 64bit
only complicated matters as well for many of us using older clients.
A number of us have migrated to Edubuntu, Debian, etc. I think my first
install was around Fedora 5 if that gives you some context.
I wish I could be more encouraging. If anyone on the list has had a
more positive outcome, I hope they can help.
Best regards,
William
Message: 1
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:03:53 +0800
Subject: [K12OSN] New install of K12LTSP - repo not found
u>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hi Everyone,
I'm trying to setup a new LTSP server, using K12Linux.
In the install guide (http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Category:Fedora) it
rpm --import http://ltsprepo.s3.amazonaws.com/rpm/RPM-GPG-KEY-ltsp
rpm -Uvh
http://ltsprepo.s3.amazonaws.com/rpm/el6/x86_64/ltsp-release-5-9.el
6.noarch.rpm
yum install ltsp-server
Edit config files in /etc/ltsp/
ltsp-build-client
Read the docs!!
However, the server responds with
<Error>
<Code>AllAccessDisabled</Code>
<Message>All access to this object has been disabled</Message>
<RequestId>440C4FCB81A8CF1D</RequestId>
<HostId>
qADc1PRsGHvyCZ9+lDOlpDM4Mm0VaQfyBAyS1G9uVSif7FG7GIz1W89JPPPqBeIE37McL
P07Vj4=
</HostId>
</Error>
Is there an alternative download location for these RPM files and RPM
keys?
Regards,
Paul.
_______________________________________________
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https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn
For more info see <http://www.k12os.org>
Brian Fristensky
2016-10-20 21:49:55 UTC
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It has been clear for some time now that LTSP is dead. There is no interest
in supporting it and keeping it current.

I can strongly recommend Thinlinc from http://www.cendio.com. Although this is a commercial
package, the free download allows up to 10 concurrent sessions at a time. You do
have to sign up to get the download, but it is free under these terms. The desktop
client is freely available with no restrictions.

* Thinlinc is very polished. It functions very well to deliver a complete desktop originating from a remote server
* Server works out of the box on all Linux distributions I have tried (RHEL 6&7, Scientific Linux 6, Debian, Fedora 22)
* There are clients for Linux, Mac and Windows. All work well
* Sound works right out of the box
* Thinlinc does a great job of streaming multimedia
* persistant sessions when you disconnect and reconnect
* automatic resizing of the screen when you switch to a different computer
* Web-based client for server-end configuration
* traffic between client and server is encrypted
* Thinlinc is actively developed by Cendio, and they have good support, including an active discussion group.

I can't count the number of hours I wasted wrestling with LTSP to try to get it to work. The documentation was never up
to date with the software. Thinlinc has been almost completely painless.

For personal use, I have the Thinlinc server running on my Linux machine at home,
and on my lab servers at work. Our university also has a campus-wide license for the
server, which they run on RedHat 7. I use Thinlinc in all of the courses I teach. The client is
available on all campus computers, and if students want the client on their own computers,
they have no problems installing and running it. By installing one client on their
comuter, they have access to hundreds of system-wide applications.

I can't speak to what it costs if you need more than 10 concurrent sessions.

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From: "Radosław Bursztynowski" <***@bursztynowski.pl>
To: "Support list for open source software in schools." <***@redhat.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:15:48 PM
Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New install of K12LTSP - repo not found

William,

I supected your opinitn that "It (K12Linux) absolutely didn't work on
7". I work on K12Linux/CentOS 7 few mounts and I am siatified. I have
got older thin client image (Sicenbtific Linux 6.1). I am not going to
migrate to Edubuntu or Debian.

Best regards,
Radek
Post by William Fragakis
Paul,
LTSP on EL (Centos, SL, etc) has been broken and not updated on for
sometime. It absolutely didn't work on 7 despite efforts. The work that
needed to be done was beyond the capabilities of most of us on the
list.
Most of the issues seemed to be centered around LDM. That EL7 was 64bit
only complicated matters as well for many of us using older clients.
A number of us have migrated to Edubuntu, Debian, etc. I think my first
install was around Fedora 5 if that gives you some context.
I wish I could be more encouraging. If anyone on the list has had a
more positive outcome, I hope they can help.
Best regards,
William
Message: 1
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:03:53 +0800
Subject: [K12OSN] New install of K12LTSP - repo not found
u>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hi Everyone,
I'm trying to setup a new LTSP server, using K12Linux.
In the install guide (http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Category:Fedora) it
rpm --import http://ltsprepo.s3.amazonaws.com/rpm/RPM-GPG-KEY-ltsp
rpm -Uvh
http://ltsprepo.s3.amazonaws.com/rpm/el6/x86_64/ltsp-release-5-9.el
6.noarch.rpm
yum install ltsp-server
Edit config files in /etc/ltsp/
ltsp-build-client
Read the docs!!
However, the server responds with
<Error>
<Code>AllAccessDisabled</Code>
<Message>All access to this object has been disabled</Message>
<RequestId>440C4FCB81A8CF1D</RequestId>
<HostId>
qADc1PRsGHvyCZ9+lDOlpDM4Mm0VaQfyBAyS1G9uVSif7FG7GIz1W89JPPPqBeIE37McL
P07Vj4=
</HostId>
</Error>
Is there an alternative download location for these RPM files and RPM
keys?
Regards,
Paul.
_______________________________________________
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https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn
For more info see <http://www.k12os.org>
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Terrell Prude' Jr.
2016-10-21 00:13:25 UTC
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As much as I hate to admit it, yeah, I'd have to agree with that
sentiment now. It's ironic that LTSP was created to foster low-cost
computing by using older, diskless computers as thin clients...and has
become a victim of its own success. Nowadays, we can get pretty
powerful used desktop computers for as little as $99. LTSP's goal has
been achieved...at the cost of its own continued success!

Ironic, indeed....

These days, the "low cost" computer option is to just pick up some good
used computers and Ghost an image to the boxes.

But oh, boy, when LTSP came out, it sure was needed, and it sure did
fill that need in excellent style.

--TP
Post by Brian Fristensky
It has been clear for some time now that LTSP is dead. There is no interest
in supporting it and keeping it current.
s***@tranquility.net
2016-10-21 04:13:59 UTC
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Post by Terrell Prude' Jr.
As much as I hate to admit it, yeah, I'd have to agree with that
sentiment now.  It's ironic that LTSP was created to foster low-cost
computing by using older, diskless computers as thin clients...and has
become a victim of its own success.  Nowadays, we can get pretty
powerful used desktop computers for as little as $99.  LTSP's goal has
been achieved...at the cost of its own continued success!
Ironic, indeed....
These days, the "low cost" computer option is to just pick up some
good used computers and Ghost an image to the boxes.
But oh, boy, when LTSP came out, it sure was needed, and it sure did
fill that need in excellent style.
--TP
And a mighty 'thanks' to all who ever worked on this. I started running
LTSP about 14 years ago. I have enough old hardware for clients that I
still run it at home. It's not a mighty media portal, but for basic
web/docs/email it still works very well.

cat /etc/issue
CentOS release 5.7 (Final)

There's still updates for CentOS, even that old. I still have cronjobs
that rsync everything important to a spare drive for backup. A few years
ago I had a motherboard failure, plopped the drives into another server.
After a bit of extra thinking and finding new hardware, it came right
up.
Patrick Fleming
2016-10-21 03:47:38 UTC
Permalink
I'm looking to migrate a K12LTSP server either later this year or next
summer. Is the code so broken that I'm not going to be able to do that
easily? I don't mind spending _some_ time on it, but this is an office
server that can't really be down for too long - or at all.

Patrick

On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 20:13:25 -0400
Post by Terrell Prude' Jr.
As much as I hate to admit it, yeah, I'd have to agree with that
sentiment now. It's ironic that LTSP was created to foster low-cost
computing by using older, diskless computers as thin clients...and
has become a victim of its own success. Nowadays, we can get pretty
powerful used desktop computers for as little as $99. LTSP's goal
has been achieved...at the cost of its own continued success!
Ironic, indeed....
These days, the "low cost" computer option is to just pick up some
good used computers and Ghost an image to the boxes.
But oh, boy, when LTSP came out, it sure was needed, and it sure did
fill that need in excellent style.
--TP
Post by Brian Fristensky
It has been clear for some time now that LTSP is dead. There is no interest
in supporting it and keeping it current.
Jim Thomas
2016-10-21 13:39:01 UTC
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Les Mikesell
2016-10-21 14:27:01 UTC
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The huge advantage I see with LTSP is the ease of system administration.
New things are installed in one place and then are available to all. It
doesn't matter which workstation you sit at, you get the same environment.
Maybe that's something you can do with Windows/Macs, but I have no desire to
learn those technologies. LTSP works for us.
If you just want multiuser remote access to a Linux host where you
have the applications you could try installing the x2go package and
then run the windows/mac/linux clients from whatever you are running
on the desktop systems. It gives you remote X sessions with
efficient caching and the ability to disconnect and reconnect to a
running session. It is close to NoMachine's NX server but an open
source project.
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Joseph Bishay
2016-10-21 15:38:59 UTC
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Hello,

I just wanted to chime in and say I've been using LTSP now for over a
decade, and without LTSP there would have been no way to have
computers for our students and community on our budget.

It lets us re-purpose older machines as thin clients, or newer
machines as thick clients, and lets us manage the entire network
remotely as we have no I.T. staff on site and those off-site are
volunteers. It is scalable based on our need and has met the vast
majority of our requirements. The kids take to it very well.

I am very appreciative of all those who put effort into making the
software 'Just Work' and wanted to voice my thanks.

Joseph
I've been running K12LTSP since about 1999 (two different schools). Our
server bit the big one (hardware) over the summer and I had to rebuild it
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/ubuntu-12.04.5-alternate-amd64.iso
The trick was to hit F4 and select the LTSP mode during the install. Then
it was off to the races. When you log in it will offer the opportunity to
upgrade to a newer release. I was pressed for time, so I did not exercise
that option, but I will as soon as I get the chance.
The difference between vanilla LTSP & K12LTSP is that it doesn't install the
education applications (Gcompris, etc). However, no one at our school has
used those for quite some time, making it a non-issue for me. All they need
is LibreOffice and the Internet.
The huge advantage I see with LTSP is the ease of system administration.
New things are installed in one place and then are available to all. It
doesn't matter which workstation you sit at, you get the same environment.
Maybe that's something you can do with Windows/Macs, but I have no desire to
learn those technologies. LTSP works for us.
I'm looking to migrate a K12LTSP server either later this year or next
summer. Is the code so broken that I'm not going to be able to do that
easily? I don't mind spending _some_ time on it, but this is an office
server that can't really be down for too long - or at all.
Patrick
On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 20:13:25 -0400
As much as I hate to admit it, yeah, I'd have to agree with that
sentiment now. It's ironic that LTSP was created to foster low-cost
computing by using older, diskless computers as thin clients...and
has become a victim of its own success. Nowadays, we can get pretty
powerful used desktop computers for as little as $99. LTSP's goal
has been achieved...at the cost of its own continued success!
Ironic, indeed....
These days, the "low cost" computer option is to just pick up some
good used computers and Ghost an image to the boxes.
But oh, boy, when LTSP came out, it sure was needed, and it sure did
fill that need in excellent style.
--TP
It has been clear for some time now that LTSP is dead. There is no interest
in supporting it and keeping it current.
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Radosław Bursztynowski
2016-10-21 07:19:12 UTC
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Open Thinclinet could be an alternative too.
http://openthinclient.org/en/download-openthinclient-software/

Best regards,
Radek
Post by Brian Fristensky
It has been clear for some time now that LTSP is dead. There is no interest
in supporting it and keeping it current.
I can strongly recommend Thinlinc from http://www.cendio.com. Although this is a commercial
package, the free download allows up to 10 concurrent sessions at a time. You do
have to sign up to get the download, but it is free under these terms. The desktop
client is freely available with no restrictions.
* Thinlinc is very polished. It functions very well to deliver a
complete desktop originating from a remote server
* Server works out of the box on all Linux distributions I have
tried (RHEL 6&7, Scientific Linux 6, Debian, Fedora 22)
* There are clients for Linux, Mac and Windows. All work well
* Sound works right out of the box
* Thinlinc does a great job of streaming multimedia
* persistant sessions when you disconnect and reconnect
* automatic resizing of the screen when you switch to a
different computer
* Web-based client for server-end configuration
* traffic between client and server is encrypted
* Thinlinc is actively developed by Cendio, and they have good
support, including an active discussion group.
I can't count the number of hours I wasted wrestling with LTSP to try
to get it to work. The documentation was never up
to date with the software. Thinlinc has been almost completely
painless.
For personal use, I have the Thinlinc server running on my Linux machine at home,
and on my lab servers at work. Our university also has a campus-wide license for the
server, which they run on RedHat 7. I use Thinlinc in all of the
courses I teach. The client is
available on all campus computers, and if students want the client on their own computers,
they have no problems installing and running it. By installing one client on their
comuter, they have access to hundreds of system-wide applications.
I can't speak to what it costs if you need more than 10 concurrent sessions.
______________________________________________________________________
To: "Support list for open source software in schools."
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:15:48 PM
Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New install of K12LTSP - repo not found
William,
I supected your opinitn that "It (K12Linux) absolutely didn't work on
7". I work on K12Linux/CentOS 7 few mounts and I am siatified. I have
got older thin client image (Sicenbtific Linux 6.1). I am not going to
migrate to Edubuntu or Debian.
Best regards,
Radek
Post by William Fragakis
Paul,
LTSP on EL (Centos, SL, etc) has been broken and not updated on for
sometime. It absolutely didn't work on 7 despite efforts. The work
that
Post by William Fragakis
needed to be done was beyond the capabilities of most of us on the
list.
Most of the issues seemed to be centered around LDM. That EL7 was
64bit
Post by William Fragakis
only complicated matters as well for many of us using older clients.
A number of us have migrated to Edubuntu, Debian, etc. I think my
first
Post by William Fragakis
install was around Fedora 5 if that gives you some context.
I wish I could be more encouraging. If anyone on the list has had a
more positive outcome, I hope they can help.
Best regards,
William
Message: 1
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:03:53 +0800
Subject: [K12OSN] New install of K12LTSP - repo not found
u>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hi Everyone,
I'm trying to setup a new LTSP server, using K12Linux.
In the install guide (http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Category:Fedora)
it
Post by William Fragakis
rpm --import
http://ltsprepo.s3.amazonaws.com/rpm/RPM-GPG-KEY-ltsp
Post by William Fragakis
rpm -Uvh
http://ltsprepo.s3.amazonaws.com/rpm/el6/x86_64/ltsp-release-5-9.el
Post by William Fragakis
6.noarch.rpm
yum install ltsp-server
Edit config files in /etc/ltsp/
ltsp-build-client
Read the docs!!
However, the server responds with
<Error>
<Code>AllAccessDisabled</Code>
<Message>All access to this object has been disabled</Message>
<RequestId>440C4FCB81A8CF1D</RequestId>
<HostId>
qADc1PRsGHvyCZ9
+lDOlpDM4Mm0VaQfyBAyS1G9uVSif7FG7GIz1W89JPPPqBeIE37McL
Post by William Fragakis
P07Vj4=
</HostId>
</Error>
Is there an alternative download location for these RPM files and
RPM
Post by William Fragakis
keys?
Regards,
Paul.
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Paul Mulroney
2016-10-24 00:24:22 UTC
Permalink
Hi Everyone,
Post by Radosław Bursztynowski
William,
I supected your opinitn that "It (K12Linux) absolutely didn't work on
7". I work on K12Linux/CentOS 7 few mounts and I am siatified. I have
got older thin client image (Sicenbtific Linux 6.1). I am not going to
migrate to Edubuntu or Debian.
Best regards,
Radek
I have a client, who is using an older version of the LTSP on CentOS6. They are having some issues, and I want to be able to do a software update so they're at the latest version of everything to see if that solves the problem. I thought I could setup a test system in my office, and try it first before I do it for real on site. However, getting a fresh CentOS6 with LTSP turns out to be harder than I thought.

I feel a bit sad that LTSP has slowly died - it is an excellent solution for small networks. My client has a relatively powerful server, and about 6 diskless workstations (old Pentium 4 machines), and it's worked very well for them.

I think the only viable option for my client is to switch to a windows server solution, but I can already hear the $$$ - none of the workstations will run in that new environment, so it's going to cost a lot upgrade.

Regards,
Paul.


I told my wife she was drawing her eyebrows too high. She looked surprised.
--
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***@logicaldevelopments.com.au Trading as Logical Developments
www.logicaldevelopments.com.au ACN 161 009 374
Ph: +61 8 9458 3889 86 Coolgardie Street
BENTLEY WA 6102
p***@peterscheie.com
2016-10-24 01:49:34 UTC
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There are a few developers still working on LTSP, but they're mostly
Ubuntu/Debian folks, so for best results, you may want to move to either
of those distros. AFAIK, there isn't anyone formally maintaining LTSP
bits for CentOS/Scientific/RHEL.

Peter
Post by Paul Mulroney
Hi Everyone,
Post by Radosław Bursztynowski
William,
I supected your opinitn that "It (K12Linux) absolutely didn't work on
7". I work on K12Linux/CentOS 7 few mounts and I am siatified. I have
got older thin client image (Sicenbtific Linux 6.1). I am not going to
migrate to Edubuntu or Debian.
Best regards,
Radek
I have a client, who is using an older version of the LTSP on CentOS6.
They are having some issues, and I want to be able to do a software update
so they're at the latest version of everything to see if that solves the
problem. I thought I could setup a test system in my office, and try it
first before I do it for real on site. However, getting a fresh CentOS6
with LTSP turns out to be harder than I thought.
I feel a bit sad that LTSP has slowly died - it is an excellent solution
for small networks. My client has a relatively powerful server, and about
6 diskless workstations (old Pentium 4 machines), and it's worked very
well for them.
I think the only viable option for my client is to switch to a windows
server solution, but I can already hear the $$$ - none of the workstations
will run in that new environment, so it's going to cost a lot upgrade.
Regards,
Paul.
I told my wife she was drawing her eyebrows too high. She looked surprised.
--
Paul W. Mulroney We Don't Do Simple Pty Ltd
www.logicaldevelopments.com.au ACN 161 009 374
Ph: +61 8 9458 3889 86 Coolgardie Street
BENTLEY
WA
6102
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